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FAKES-COUNTERFEIT-MILITARY-WATCHES

Published on: November 8, 2012
Categories: AAA HELP ME, GSW TALK, GSW-UPDATES, INFO, QuickPosts, WATCHES

FAKES-COUNTERFEIT-WATCHES

 

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TIMEFRAUD.COM

IS IT COUNTERFEIT OR NOT

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HELP STOP INTERNET WATCH FRAUD

 Wrist Watch US Military Vietnam War Working Timepiece Vintage Issue Era Rare GLO watchme@timefraud.com

WE HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT MADE IT A FACT THAT EBAY NO LONGER IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO REMOVE IMITATION OR FAKE ITEMS — INCLUDING FAKE OR COUNTERFEIT MILITARY WATCHES — UNLESS THE ACTUAL OWNER OF THE TRADE MARK COMPLAINS. IN THE CASE OF FAKES, IT GETS COMPLICATED. WHERE IS THE RIGHTS HOLDER FOR A COUNTERFEIT 1942 MILITARY NON-ISSUED BULOVA?

YET THE FACT IS, IT GOES BEYOND COUNTERFEITING. IT IS FRAUD. WE HAVE LOOKED INTO OUR OPTIONS DUE TO THE FACT IT EFFECTS US THE MOST. LOWERS PRICES FOR THE REAL EXPENSIVE WATCHES. MAKES THE SALE OF MILITARY WATCHES DIFFICULT WHEN PEOPLE FIND OUT THEY WERE RIPPED AND COMPLAIN TO THEIR FRIENDS. NOTE: (GOOGLE) SUPREME COURT RULING IN TIFFANY LAW VS EBAY THUS MANY EBAY MEMBERS CONTINUE TO BID ON OUT RIGHT FAKE GOVERNMENT ISSUED MILITARY WATCHES . HUNDREDS OF OUT-RIGHT FAKE MILITARY WATCHES ARE BEING SOLD UNDER ” PRIVATE ” AUCTIONS TO UNSUSPECTING BUYERS. NOTE: PRIVATE MEANS ONCE WATCH IS SOLD THOSE INDIVIDUALS DESIRING TO INFORM THE BUYER CANNOT CONTACT THE BUYERS BECAUSE THE ITEM NUMBER AND INFO ARE PRIVATE note: TIMEFRAUD DOES NOT SELL, OFFER OR PROMOTE SALES IF YOU ARE BUYING A BREITLING OMEGA JAEGER LECOULTRE BULOVA WESTCLOX ELGIN BENRUS OR “Wrist Watch US Military Vietnam War Working Timepiece Vintage Issue Era Rare GLO” OTHER GOVERNMENT ISSUED US MILITARY WATCH AND KNOW IT IS FAKE? DISREGARD THIS GUIDE, BUT KNOW YOU WILL BE PERPETUATING FRAUD AND HURTING THOSE WHO PAY HIGH PRICES FOR GENUINE ARTICLE AND THEN RESTORE THEM. THE MOST PROLIFIC THIEVES AND FORGERS USE PICTURES THAT ARE SIGNED BORIZ IN SCRIPT ON LOWER RIGHT BOTTOM. BORIZ PHOTOGRAPHS ARE USUALLY SHOWN WITH GOLD BAR TOP AND BOTTOM OR GREEN BAR, ALSO CHECK YOUR MOVEMENTS, EVERY BRAND HAD THEIR OWN MOVEMENT. THEY ALL LOOK DIFFERENT EVEN IF THE STYLE AND MILITARY INFORMATION ON THE BACK IS THE SAME –WITH EXCEPTION OF BULOVA. THE BULOVA ISSUES HAD/HAVE 10BNCH MOVEMENT NUMBER. MORE OF THIS LATER ON BELOW.

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TIME FRAUD CLAIMS ” BORIZ” ON PHOTOS WITH WATCHES HAVE BEEN 100% FAKE COUNTERFEIT FRAUDULANT WATCHES

HERE WE HAVE TWO FAKES. THESE ARE NOT TRULY COUNTERFEIT, BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER MADE BY THE COMPANIES ATTRIBUTED TO IN THE SIGNINGS ON THE MOVEMENTS. THUS THEY WERE NOT ISSUED BY THE COMPANIES UNDER ANY CONTRACT AND ARE NOT IN ANY US GOV CONTRACT SPECS. THEY ARE FAKES SOLD AS SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT. FRAUD.

THE BOTTOM LEFT IS A FAKE BREITLING AND THE MOVEMENT IS THE SAME AS THE BOTTOM RIGHT FAKE JAEGER LECOULTRE. NO WAY DID BREITLING AND JLC PRODUCE THE SAME MOVEMENTS. AND IN FACT, EVEN THE A-11, A-8, MIL-W-3818 38, GG-W-113, MIL-W-4637 AND OTHER US GOVERNMENT ISSUED WWII AND VIETNAM ERA MILITARY WATCH CONTRACTS PROVIDED THE MAIN PLANS, EACH VENDER/BRAND PRODUCED THEIR OWN MOVEMENTS. SO THEY WERE ALL DIFFERENT. LIKE THE BREITLING AND LECOULTRE, THE TWO TOP MOVEMENTS ARE ALSO FAKE /FRAUDULENT AN ELGIN AND WALTHAM WATCH WITH THE DEAD GIVEAWAY BEING BOTH MOVEMENTS ARE ALIKE. NEITHER ARE ACTUAL MOVEMENTS USED IN MILITARY WATCHES IN THE USA OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT I CAN TELL . THE FACT IS MOVEMENTS OF SEPARATE BRANDS BEING EXACT IS SIMPLY UNHEARD OF IN MILITARY ISSUED WATCHES. WHEN LOOKING AT A BRAND, SEARCH THE BRAND. THEN COMPARE AGAINST OTHER BRANDS, BUT VIEWING THE MOVEMENT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

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THE US GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY REQUIRED DIALS TO BE EXACTLY ALIKE. HARDLY ANY VIETNAM ERA WATCH HAD NAMES ON THE DIAL. LOOK AT THE TOP US GOV PHOTO OF ACTUAL DIALS. THEY HAD TO BE EXACT AS TO THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THAT MODEL.

THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE CONCERNING NAMES ON DIALS WERE FEW. THE ABOVE RIGHT DIAL HAS “MFR’S NAME ” ON IT. THE SPEC CALLED FOR IT. THIS IS THE FAMOUS BULOVA FIRST NAVY AUTOMATIC DIVE WATCH CONTRACT THAT WAS ASSUMED BY BLANCPAIN .

NOTE THE DIAL IS FOR THE DIVE WATCH OUTLINED IN THE 1961 MIL-W-22176 AND 1961 + MIL-W-22176-A SPECIFICATIONS. THIS WOULD BECOME THE PLANS FOR BLANCPAIN’S FIFTY FATHOMS. BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED BY THE US NAVY. SEE THE ROUND MOISTURE INDICATOR AT BOTTOM ABOVE SIX? IT WAS DESIGNED IN 1960. BLANCPAIN WOULD MAKE 10,000 WATCHES FOR THE NAVY SEALS. THEN WOULD USE THE DESIGN AS “Milspec 1” WHICH MEANT “MILITARY SPECIFICATIONS 1” (THE ACTUAL NAVEL SPECIFICATIONS ARE ON TIMEFRAUDCOM). THUS THE DATING OF THE WATCH AND THE ACTUAL SPECIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED IN MANY CIRCUMSTANCES TO DISCOVER THE FACTS OF DIALS AND DATES OF PRODUCTION. NOTE THE GG-W-113 HAS NO NAME.. OK? IF YOU READ CASE BACK AND IT HAS 113 THEN EXPECT NO NAME ON DIAL. THE A-17 HAD NO NAME… IT HAD RADIUM NUMERALS. LOOK AT THE PICTURE ABOVE! IF THE DIAL LOOKS LIKE ALL THE OTHER FAKES WITH OFF BLACK DIAL WITH YELLOWISH EVERYTHING ELSE SO PERFECT AND NEAT IT IS A FAKE UNLESS DESCRIBED IN DETAIL, AND I MEAN DIAL. THE 3118A HAVE HAD BULOVA ON THE DIAL WHICH HAD TO BE ALLOWED AND REQUESTED BY CONTRACT AND SPECS!

THEY WERE ALL NOTE THAT WHEN YOU SEE THE FAKES YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM IF YOU SIMPLY LOOK!

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WESTCLOX BENRUS ET AL. HAD THEIR OWN MOVEMENTS AND THEY LOOK AND ARE SIGNED AND MADE DIFFERENT EVEN IF THE CASES LOOK THE SAME. THE CASES ON US GOV MIL ISSUE MILITARY WATCHES WERE ALWAYS EXACT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE TO THE SPECS, GET THE ID FROM THE CASE BACK. THE MODEL NUMBER A GOOGLE IT BEFORE YOU INVEST OR BID. USE PICTURES TO SPEED THE PROCESS. COMPARE. CHECK CASE BACKS FOR SPELLING ERA’ LIKE THE WORD “SPECIFICATION” OR HOW THE WRITING IMPRINTING PRESSING STAMPINGS ARE. IF YOU KNOW IT IS A FAKE AND BUY IT EVERYONE IS GETTING RIPPED — SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME TO KNOW, LIKE WHEN IT BREAKS AND THE WATCH MAKER SAYS I CANNOT FIX THIS FAKE

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FAKE WESTCLOX OD PLASTIC CASED VIETNAM ERA MILITARY ISSUE ARE COPIED AND FAKED . LOOK FOR SLOPPY AND MISS-ALIGNED INFO ON CASE BACK. BROAD ARROW AND WWW CASE BACKS ADVERTISED AS US GOV MIL ISSUE ARE FAKE. PERIOD. A-7 DESIGNATION ON CASE BACK ARE FAKE. PERIOD. CASE BACKS WITH SPELLING WRONG ARE FAKE, PERIOD. A-17 OR A-17A ARE FAKE IF THE DIALS ARE NOT LIKE THOSE IN THE #2 PICTURE ABOVE. AND, WITH HE EXCEPTION OF THE RARE BULOVA/BLANCPAIN NAVY DIVE WATCH EARLY 1960’S, ANY US GOV MILITARY ISSUED WATCH WITH AUTOMATIC MOVEMENT IS FRAUD FAKE AND A RIP OFF. YOU WILL HAVE TO LIE AND COMMIT FRAUD IF YOU READ THIS AND BUY ONE OR HAVE ONE AND RESELL IT AS WHAT IT IS GENUINE.

OH.. LET ME HELP YOU OUT. IT SEEMS THE SAME COMPANIES ARE MAKING UP THESE FAKES.

A) SPECIFICATION NOT SPELLED CORRECTLY 60%

B) MFR’S IS NOT SPELLED CORRECTLY C) A-7 IS A NO BRAINER. NOT UNLESS IT IS A POCKET WATCH CHRONO LONGINES GALLET MOVEMENT ONE BIG POCKET TYPE CROWN WITH PUSHER IN CENTER ALSO NOTE WORDS AVIGATION AND THE MISSPELLING MIR’S INSTEAD OF MRF’S AND SPICIIICATION INSTEAD OF SPECIFICATION. A FAKE SOLD ON EBAY AROUND 9-06/2012 FOR OVER 200.00 US!

D) THE CASE BACK HAS ELGIN STOCK NO 10BNCH OR WALTHAM STOCK NO 10BNCH AND THEN THESE LETTERS/NUMBERS 10BNCH . THE 10BNCH IS THE BULOVA HACKING MOVEMENT PLACED ONLY IN THE BULOVA MIL ISSUE BULOVA STOCK NO. 10BNCH. SO BULOVA STOCK NO 10BNCH WOULD BE PROPER.. BUT EVEN THEN, CHECK WHAT WE ARE SHOWING YOU .

E) BULOVA DID NOT, I REPEAT, DID NOT RECEIVE CONTRACTS FOR VIETNAM ERA GOV MIL SPEC ISSUE WATCHES. WE HAVE THE APPEAL OF BULOVA TO THE U.S. MILITARY BOARD AND THEIR DENIAL TO ALLOW BULOVA TO BE OFFERED CONTRACT FULLFILMENT. BENRUS WAS THE WINNER..

F) BRITISH MILITARY WWII AND AFTER W.W.W. [WRIST WATCH WATERPROOF] AND 1500′ ON, BRITISH BROAD ARROW DESIGNATION SPECIFICATION IS ONLY ON BRITISH WATCHES AND THE BRITISH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH VIETNAM. ALL THROUGH TIME.. LITERALLY, THE BRITISH ADDED BROAD ARROW TO CASE BACKS AND ON SOME DIALS, WWI, WWII THE 1950’S AND 1960’S, ON TIMERS IN THE 1980’S.

THE BRITISH WAR DEPARTMENT ORDERED MILITARY WATCHES DESIGNATED W.W.W FOR WATCH WRIST WATERPROOF. THESE W.W.W. WATCHES WERE TO HAVE BLACK RADIUM DIALS, 15 JEWEL MOVEMENTS, SUB SECONDS- PERSPEX SHATTER RESISTANT GLASS, STRONG CASES WITH EXTRA WATER PROOFING AND LARGE CROWNS. 12 MANUFACTURERS BUREN, CYMA, ETERNA, GRANA, IWC , JLC, LEMANINA, LONGINES, OMEGA, RECORD, TIMOR and VERTEX] SELECTED TO FILL THE ORDERS. EACH WOULD PRODUCE WATCHES SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER. ALL WOULD HAVE SCREW DOWN CASE BACKS EXCEPT IWC, WHO UTILIZED A SNAP CASE BACK WITH A LEAD WASHER SEAL.

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ANOTHER TARGET FRAUD IS THE ORD. DEPT WATCHES WE DISCOVER FROM ASIA. OR SOMETIMES THE US BUT ARE FROM ASIA. NOTE ABOVE. THEY HAVE USED A COUNTERFEIT DIAL WITH GREEN ILLUMINATED TRIANGULAR MARKERS. THEY PLACED A HAMILTON NAME WITH THE H LOGO — DUH– SCREAMS FAKE. THEN THEY CNC THE CASE BACK. BUT THE GIVEAWAY IS THE MOVEMENTS. YOU SEE IT IS A 1950’S AUTOMATIC. NONE WERE UTILIZED IN US GOV ISSUE MIL WATCHES. AND WHY DID I SAY CNC CUT CASE BACK? THE CASE IS FOR AN AUTOMATIC. SO THEY DID NOT USE A MIL CASE, CASE BACK AND DIAL AND SIMPLY CHANGE THE MOVEMENT. THE ENTIRE ENSEMBLE IS FAKE. MEANING THE BACK CASE WAS CARVED AND NOT STAMPED – ONE CAN TELL BECAUSE IT IS NO PERFECT.

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WHEN YOU SEE CASES TAKE THE TIME TO ASK VENDER WHAT ERA, WHAT IS ON CASE BACK. THEN GOOGLE IT BEFORE YOU MAKE A BID

ADVERTISED ON EBAY AS : “THE HIL-W-3818A BRAND ??????? U.S. NAVY MILITARY ????EXCELLENT WORKING COLLECTIBLE CONDITION US NAVY” SIGNED ON FACE AND “US NAVY W.W.W.” ON STEEL CASE BACK. HIL-W-3818A SERIAL NO A7845 NO 6645-808-1407 EXCELLENT CONDITION MOVEMENT. VINTAGE ISSUE OLIVE NYLON STRAP. THE “US NAVY” SIGNED DIAL IS PAINTED BLACK WITH “KHAKI” THIS FAKE –NOT COUNTERFEIT– US NAVY WWW WRIST WATCH IS FRAUD AT IT’S BEST. EVERY THING PART AND NOTATION IS FRAUDULENT. ALL DESIGNED TO STEAL YOUR MONEY. EVER GO TO RESELL? WELL, YOU CAN BE CHARGED WITH FRAUD! CAUSE IT IS FAKE

FAKE ELGIN, OMEGA, WALTHAM , LECOULTRE, BULOVA, WESTCLOX… NUS NAVY US ARMY WWW BROAD ARROW DIALS ALL THE SAME MOVEMENTS THE SAME WITH DIFFERENT BRANDS, AUTOMATICS , CASES THE SAME YET UNLIKE WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GOOGLE THEM…..

THE US GOVERNMENT, WITH ONE EXCEPTION, THE BULOVA/BLANCPAIN NAVY DIVER, NEVER EVER CONTRACTED OR PRODUCED GOV SPECS FOR AUTOMATIC MOVEMENT WATCHES. THE ONLY ONE WAS THE DIVE WATCH WE DISCUSSED..

ABOVE WE HAVE A FAKE LONGINES THE DIAL IS NOT A LONGINES DIAL THAT IS ON THE A-7 AND LONGINES NEVER MADE A DIAL LIKE THIS NO LONGINES WERE MADE FOR VIETNAM AND IN WWII LONGINES MADE MILITARY WATCHES BUT NOT THE TYPE OFFERED THROUGH US GOVERNMENT AND THE DIALS WERE WHITE OR BLACK WITH RAISED RADIUM NUMBERS WITH 24HR ALSO ON SOME.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MOVEMENT WE SEE CHEAP ALSO WE SEE A 360 DEGREE AUTOMATIC MEANING THE ROTOR SPINS 360 DEGREES ONLY THE BUMPER 180 WAS AVAILABLE BEFORE 1950 OR A RARE ROLEX 360. FACT IS, AS I SAID, NEVER EVER A US MILITARY WATCH NOR A LONGINES MOVEMENT

AND, AS DESCRIBED BELOW, UNDER A-7 AVIGATION, THE TYPE A-7 WAS BEFORE THE A-8 JITTERBUG NAV 1938 TIMER AND THE 1942 A-11 HACKING PILOTS WATCH . THE A-7 WAS A CHRONOGRAPH WITH GALLET CHRONO MOVEMENT WITH LARGE CROWN WITH CENTER BUTTON IN CROWN IT WAS MORE LIKE A POCKET WATCH CASE WITH TWO SUB-DIALS ON THE MAIN DIAL

NOW FOR THE BIGGEST FAKE, THAT IS USING THE DESIGNATION # SPEC SHEET NO. THE NAME A-7

THE US MIL A-7 WATCH. YOU WILL SEE TONS OF WATCHES WITH A-7 ON BACK CAUSE? IT IS HARD TO FIND THE REAL A-7

SO WE DECIDED TO SHOW YOU ONE….:

THE A-7 A-8 AND A-11 ARE DESIGNATIONS OF SPECIFICATIONS THAT PRODUCED MILITARY ISSUE WATCHES WW11 AND BEFORE. A) THE A-7 WAS THE 1930’S “AVIGATION” WATCH

B) THE A-8 IS THE FAMOUS JITTERBUG NAV TIMER

C) THE A-11 FAMOUS HACKING PILOTS WATCH. EACH WERE MADE FOR WW11

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THE AVIGATION WAS THOUGHT TO BE A COOL NAME FOR NAVIGATION AND AVIATION.

THE FACT IS, THIS IS THE HARDEST WATCH TO FAKE. LOOK, BREITLING JAEGER LECOULTRE OMEGA DID NOT HAVE US MILITARY CONTRACTS FOR WATCHES. WATCHES STATED AS AMERICAN US NAVY ARMY –WHAT EVER — WITH “W.W.W. AND/OR “BROAD ARROW” ON CASE BACK ARE FAKES. THESE ARE BRITISH DESIGNATIONS -ESPECIALLY OFFERS WITH THE WORD “VIETNAM” IN THEM. NOTE NO BRAND ABOVE? AS IF THE GOV MADE THE WATCH. AN THIS OMEGA FAKE SOLD FOR SOME LARGE BUCKS. AGAIN IT WAS A FAKE IF THE MOVEMENT IS NOT SHOWN DO NOT BUY UNLESS YOU ARE SURE. SO ASK QUESTIONS OR VISIT THE HELP SITE TIMEFRAUDCOM. TIMEFRAUDCOM DOES NOT SELL NOR SPONSOR SALES SITES OR ANYTHING BUT EXPOSING FRAUD AND ATTEMPTING TO INSURE YOU ARE TREATED FAIRLY. TIMEFRAUD IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO POST, ADD INFORMATION AND PROVIDE ANY CORRECTIONS OF CONTENT THAT EXISTS. ALL PICTURES IN/ON TIMEFRAUD AND HERE IN THIS GUIDE ARE UTILIZED UNDER THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND I’ST AMENDMENT CLAUSE OF THE US. CONSTITUTION. THEY ARE UTILIZED TO REPORT INFORMATION IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC AND AS SUCH, ANY CAUSE OR ACTION UNDER LAW SHALL BE FILED/HEARD IN THE NORTHERN DISTRICT FEDERAL COURT OF GEORGIA . IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, OR TO CORRECT, PLEASE EMAIL THE POSTER.

 

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