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ANYONE KNOWING ME ARE AWARE THAT JOURNALISM HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY NUMBER ONE TOOL & LOVE. IN FACT, I LOVE EXPOSE AND WRITING WHAT'S ON MY MIND. I  HAVE BEEN IN COURT 30 TIMES OVER THAT MIND AND HAVE YET TO LOSE A CASE. INCLUDING FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY , MAGISTRATE AND ICANN WORLD COURT. SEVERAL CASES WENT 4 TO 5 YEARS. ANYHOW, I AM TICKED OFF ENOUGH TO PLACE THIS PAGE AND TO ADVERTISE IT. SO ON WITH THE STORY

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OUR DISCUSSION TODAY IS ABOUT FAKE COUNTERFEIT VINTAGE WATCHES. THE PROBLEM WITH INVESTING IN A MILITARY WATCH, WHETHER GOV ISSUE OR PERIOD [MADE FOR SOLDIERS SOLD IN CIVILIAN STORES] IS VERIFYING THaT THE WATCH IS WHAT IT IS STATED TO BE.

ONE WAY THAT SELLERS GET AWAY WITH STICKING YOU WITH A FAKE IS STATING THE WATCH IS "MILITARY STYLE". WHILE MOST MILITARY STYLE WATCHES ARE JUST THAT, OTHERS, THAT HAVE CASE BACK IMPRINTS AND 24HR DIALS, ARE  OFTEN FAKES.

4 TO 5 YEARS AGO I WAS DUPED BY A SELLER WHO STATED A WATCH WAS US MILITARY. IT HAD A MARKED DETAILED CASE BACK AND COOL DIAL. IT WAS QUARTZ. MANY WATCHES DURING THE 1980'S WERE QUARTZ; INCLUDING A SERIES OF PILOTS WATCHES BY MARATHON.

WELL, I INVESTED AND THE WATCH WAS DELIVERED. IT HAD A CASE BACK MARKED BASE METAL BEZEL BRASS CASE BACK. NEEDLESS TO SAY, IT WAS PLATED. 

NOW, THE CASE BACK DETAILS INCLUDED SERIAL, ORDER, SPECIFICATION AND OTHER INFO THAT LOOKED AS IF IT WERE US GOVERNMENT ORDERED. RESEARCH PROVED IT WAS A FAKE. BY THE TIME I CONTACTED THE PERSON, HE WAS GONE. NOW, COST WAS LOW, BUT IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE, A  FAKE IS A FAKE.

WITH THOUSANDS OF WATCHES COMPLETED, WITH WARRANTY AND APPRAISALS, WE NEVER OFFER A TIME PIECE WITH OUT RESEARCHING AND THEN WRITING IT UP.

A WEEK OR SO AGO I WAS ON ETSY. I BUY ALL OVER AND HAVE PURCHASED 50 ITEMS IN THE PAST 5 MONTHS FROM ETSY MEMBERS. IN ANY CASE, I WAS ON ETSY AND WHAT DO I FIND>?>?

THE VERY SAME WATCH WITH SAME NUMBERS AND INFO. THE SELLER, EVEN THOUGH THE CASE BACK LOOKED MILITARY, WAS OFFERING THE WATCH AS MILITARY STYLE!!!!

NOW, WHY WOULD THE SELLER SAY "MILITARY STYLE" AND NOT MILITARY? HE KNEW IT WAS A FAKE!

THIS SELLER, ADVERTISES HIMSELF AS A JUNIOR APPRENTICE WATCH MAKER FROM ARIZONA.   HIS  WATCH SHOP ON ETSY WAS/IS OFFERING KNOWN FAKE MILITARY WATCH BY CALLING IT A "MILITARY STYLE" WATCH OR MILITARY STYLE DIAL WATCH. THIS IS WHILE SHOWING THE US MILITARY STYLED STAMPED CASE BACK.

THE WATCH HE IS SELLING IS EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE I INVESTED IN AND THE SAME THAT WAS SOLD TO 25 PEOPLE THAT I KNOW OF!

YOU SEE, PROSPECTIVE BUYERS READ THE CASE BACK WHICH HAS   MILITARY INFO AS WELL AS A STAMPING THAT SAYS BRASS CASE BACK, THEY BELIEVE IT IS A MILITARY WATCH AND BUY IT. WHEN THE PLATE WEARS OFF THE BACK OR SOMEONE WITH THE SAME WATCH OR WITH SAME INFO CATCHES UP, OR THEY TRY AND SELL IT, THEY DISCOVER IT IS A FAKE

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THIS BASE METAL CASE IS CHEAPLY PLATED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE BRASS
ANYONE LOOKING AT THIS WATCH AND READING THE CASE BACK WOULD BELIEVE IT WAS US MILITARY.

WITH QUARTZ STARTING 1970'S IT COULD BE A VINTAGE US QUARTZ MILITARY WATCH.

NOW, YOU HAVE TO READ THE INFO O THE CASE BACK.

TYPE AD COULD BE ARTILLERY .

I DO NOT HAVE ALL NUMERALS EXACT BECAUSE I CANNOT NOT READ THEM.

SO WHY DID HE NOT WRITE THESE OUT?

YOU SEE, THIS IS A CLASSIC "I NEVER SAID IT WAS MILITARY I SAID MILITARY  STYLE" DEFENSE.

TYPE A-D   [THIS IS THE US GOV TYPE BUT IT IS FAKE]
SPECIFICATION MIL-W-8433
  [ US GOV SPEC. MIL-W-8433 IS SIMILAR TO VIET NAM BENRUS AND OTHERS BUT IT IS FAKE ]
MFR.'S  PART NO. AF-52-353345
[ANOTHER US GOV MARKING FOR MANUFACTURER BUT IT IS FAKE]
MFS SERIAL NO. 10315-12-24
[ANOTHER US GOV MARKING FOR SERIAL BUT IT IS FAKE]
ORDER NO. 15V-577T5788
[ANOTHER US GOV MARKING FOR GOV ORDER BUT IT IS FAKE]
BASE METAL BEZEL
BRASS BACK
[PLATED CASE BACK IS BASE METAL IT IS FAKE]

THE SELLER WOULD RATHER SELL IT AND THEN SAY HE NEVER KNEW, .. BUT BELIEVE ME, HE IS KNOWINGLY RIPPING PEOPLES OFF

 

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NOTICE THE BEZEL LOOKS MILITARY.  WHAT GIVE THESE AWAY IS THE FACT THE DIALS ARE ALL THE SAME AND THE CASE BACK IS ALSO THE SAME.

NOW, THIS MAY NOT SEEM BIG OF A DEAL, BUT I KNOW 25 PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, WHO INVESTED 50.00 TO 200.00 ONLY TO BE LEFT WITH A CHEAP QUARTZ WATCH AND NO WHERE TO SELL IT WITH OUT RIPPING SOMEONE ELSE OFF.

I NOT ONLY WROTE HIM, BUT WENT INTO COMPLETE DETAIL AND YET, HE WOULD RATHER ROB YOU THAN REMOVE A WATCH HE IS ASKING 50.00 FOR NOW.... BELOW YOU WILL SEE OUR CHATTER

THE AMAZING THING IS THAT ETSY DID NOT DO ANYTHING WHEN ADVISED. WE WERE NOT LOOKING TO HARM ANYONE. WE TRIED TO NOTIFY THE SELLER BUT NOTHING SEEMS TO WORK. WE HOPE THE BUYER WILL NOT FEEL ROBBED OR THAT HE OR SHE DOES NOT TRY AND SELL IT .....


TO lee: what you have is a Chinese fake. the case nor back is brass, the engraving is false, the fact is, it is a new fake with new Japanese movement . I doubt that it had any interaction with anyone, let alone a smoker .....unless the Chinese were smoking when they stamped the case back "brass" or made the dial .. which is not military .. nor did any military ever even contemplate using that dial.....it is a rip-off and your selling it would be profiting off fraud...just thought I would let you know
rock

TO Rock -

Upon opening your rather rude message I immediately felt that it warranted no response. However, due to the fact that you have made some serious assumptions about me and the shop I run I will address some of your concerns (which aren't really your concerns in the first place, are you really that bored that you feel the need to peruse my shop and attack me?). First off, I will agree that it is a Japanese movement, and definitely not from the 60's or older. You also mention that the case is brass which is obviously not the case nor does the watch claim to be so (base metal). And the case back is brass as indicated. Now.. c'mon Rock..why would I say the watch smells like smoke if it doesn't? The watch did in fact have a previous owner and the watch in fact does smell like smoke. And the military comments? I said military style. Which is the 13-24 reference on the dial. Obviously this watch is not an actual military used watch - nor did I claim it to be so. Here's the skinny. I provide good watches, repaired by myself, and I list them as honestly and as accurately as I can. And if your message was only filled with goodwill with a friendly business to business attitude... then I apologize for my defensiveness. I wish you all the success and happiness in the world and hope you have a great day. Tops, Lee

TO lee:
first of all. it is my business. I am a buyer. I purchased one just like yours 4 years ago. 75.00. it was a fake. you are selling a fake. it is not what you say, it is what you fail to say. you show the case back and it states it is a military watch with a base metal top and brass case back.. no? the back has US Military code , no? well, case back is plated. does that tell you anything?? and, you seem to know this because if you did not, you would have written more in your description. it is a fake. period. and every time I see one for sale I have to react.
you said military style knowing there was a problem stating military watch...or do you not get that? you are leading people to believe your absolute fake is a military watch, you showed the case back.back when I invested in one I was so pissed off. the individual knew it was not genuine. it was not a statement of you or your biz, it was of that Chinese fake watch and that is that. if you are going to offer watches, then you should research them..stop taking it as a personal attack.. it is an attack on the non mil watch that hundreds of people contact me all the time excited about their new artillery us artillery watch only to discover they are fake!!! and, I get calls at least 4 times a month. all have the exact same info and serial and look the same and are sold as us military.

TO Rock -
Now I see... You were duped. $75 for a watch claiming to be a vintage military watch used by the US military didn't throw you off? I'm sorry my friend. I will lower my price and make sure my actual buyers know that this is a Japanese movement. Thanks for your time, better luck with your future purchases.
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